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Social Networking for Wellness

Autumn Carter/ George Debec Season 1 Episode 202

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What if networking is not just about business cards and job leads—but about building the kind of relationships that protect your peace, strengthen your family, and help you thrive?


In Episode 202 of Wellness in Every Season, Autumn Carter sits down with George Dubec, also known as The Ultimate Networker, for a conversation about social wellness, connection, and why strong relationships matter more than ever. George shares insights from decades of experience in business, public speaking, writing, and community building, including how he and his wife once ran one of the largest singles networks in South Florida.


Together, they explore how social networking shapes everything from dating and marriage to parenting, job opportunities, and long-term emotional well-being. This episode digs into the real-life effects of disconnection, isolation, divorce, and fractured support systems, while also offering practical ways to reconnect—through intentional relationships, family communication, community support, and building a strong personal network. George also shares thoughtful strategies for dating through your social circles, growing a meaningful database of contacts, and approaching networking in a way that feels genuine, helpful, and human.


If you have been craving stronger support, deeper connection, or a healthier way to think about relationships in both life and business, this episode will give you plenty to reflect on. You can learn more about George’s work at theultimatenetworker.com and connect with him on LinkedIn.

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we are talking about social networking and all things networking, social wellness.

SPEAKER_01

We are talking about social networking and all things networking, social wellness. Just that's what we're jamming on today. Welcome to Wellness in Every Season. We talk all things wellness to help you align yourself, align with your goals, get find balance in your life, and just recalibrate yourself. If you are listening for the first time, welcome, welcome. I'm so glad you're here. And let's get started in the rest of the podcast. Today I have with me George Ubeck, and he does all things marketing. His business name is Ultimate Networking. There you go. He works with businesses and social networking. I love his story of what he put in the outline of the question what led you to become who you are professionally. He says graduated college, got married, got a job, had kids. The kids grew up and left, and he became a full-time entrepreneur. And judging by his background, he lives in Florida. He has that vibe where it's still peaceful. So I'm sure full-time is not really full time, is it?

The Importance of Social Networks in Personal Life

SPEAKER_00

Actually, Autumn, I just turned this month 79. I've seen a lot, experienced a lot, I've done a lot. I have three kids, four grandkids, and two great-grandkids. So that whole thing has been moving along. I experienced family life, I experienced business life. I've been in movies, I've had my own radio show. I'm a public speaker, I've written books. I was a professional flamenco dancer. I was a stained glass artist. So I filled all my years quite a bit with a lot of activity. So I have a lot of experience in many, many different areas. It's very diverse. So when I finally retired from daily nine to five type work and activities, I wrote six books, mostly on networking, both social and business. At one time from 1985 to 1992, my wife and I ran the largest singles network in South Florida. It was called the Find a Mate Singles Network. And we used to teach single people how to use the social network in order to find a mate. That's what we can talk about today. We can talk about how to use your social network to be effective in your own life. Because I think you and I talked off camera here about how people are becoming disconnected. So, how do we get back connected and create a support group? And those things are very important.

Challenges in Social Wellness and Family Dynamics

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I'm so excited to talk about this. The goal is we're going to talk about some of the problems and we're going to dive even deeper in the solutions because I love solutions. We already have a basic idea of what our problems are. We know there's a problem. So, what problems are you seeing that are out there, especially when it comes to our own social wellness? Why is this even a problem? What are you seeing?

SPEAKER_00

Well, we just did the I like the facts. I like to look at numbers. I don't like theories and ideas and somebody's philosophy. But recently we came up with a new saying that the United States is we're operating in a hybrid foster care system. And think about this. There are, and a lot of people are not aware of this, there's 400,000 kids in the foster care system right now, today. And roughly speaking, let's just use 50% of marriages are divorced situations. So that means there's 70 million kids under 18. So half of those kids, and again, I'm just breaking down rough numbers. So 35 million kids are living in, I call it a hybrid foster care system. So if you're not with your real mom and dad, if you're with a stepdad, stepmom, or a single mom or single dad, technically you're in a foster care system of sorts. You're not with the real family. So we're dealing with half of the children in our society are in dysfunctional situations. Now I grew up with a real mom and dad. My mom and dad, they were, you know, married right to the end. And I can't imagine to envision my mom and dad being divorced with other people. I just think to myself, that'd be horrific. And the number one thing that they found psychologically speaking is the worst thing for a child in their mental aspect of life is to see their mother with another man. Not the father necessarily, but it's the mother. And that's really kind of strange way to think about it, but not so because the kids seem they don't want another man to be with their mother. There's something just magical about the mother, like the Virgin Mary. I mean, it's like a sacred thing. Mom is sacred. So these are some of the things that we're finding out that's happening in today's world. Now, once you get into these situations where you have all these disjointed families, the only other thing you can do is try to keep the real families, the real mom and dads connected, supporting each other. And a lot of the problem is when people get divorced, they don't support each other. They fight, they have court cases, they're arguing over the different finances and so forth. So it really creates a lot of mental disturbance in the kids.

SPEAKER_01

It does. And it's something that a lot of people don't realize. I came from a divorced family, so dysfunctional. I don't think there was any fun in dysfunctional. It was just dysfunctional in my family. The fact that if you are looking to get a divorce or not putting enough into your marriage, just people don't realize how much it affects the child, and it affects them for the rest of their lives. Exactly. Not only them, but it goes through the generations. It still is affecting my children. And I had a conversation with our kids yesterday, even. My oldest is 11 years old, so he's at that age where I can start to share with him about dating and that type of stuff. And he's starting to realize that there are differences with his friends because he's very social. I was explaining to him that the best thing you can do for the family is to have a really strong mother and father who absolutely love each other and are devoted to each other. That is the best thing you can do for kids. It's not as much the relationship you have with the kids. Absolutely, that's important. But the most critical is the relationship within the couple. Because when they are happy, it shows up in everything else within the family. And there's that peace sense of peace and safety. And I have shared with him a little bit at his level of my childhood, especially explaining when he's asked, How come I don't talk about my parents? Don't I have another grandma and grandpa? You sure do, but they are not involved in our family because they are not safe emotionally for us. And not everybody needs to have a relationship with someone because of blood. If they're not safe, they're not safe. And you don't want to continue that generational trauma. So that right there. And I have shared with so many friends that are getting divorced. Remember your children because as much as children are resilient, it doesn't mean we need to test it. So many divorced couples, it just becomes about their own pain and they forget their children. And so many children become latchkey kids. They are the children who both parents are blaming each other and they're not coming together to raise the child, so the child ends up raising themselves. And it's completely unfair. And there's the other part of it where parenting is hard, and it absolutely puts a strain on a relationship having children. But it's one of those things, if you think about it, like bodybuilding, it builds up those muscles. For me, I feel so much more love for my husband because I have to put more effort in to try and have a conversation with him without being interrupted. I have to put in the effort, it's basically what I'm saying. And it makes an absolute difference. And I think having that sense of safety is so important, especially within a relationship. And that is something that's critical for me because I did not have that sense of safety growing up. And my husband is absolutely my safe person. He needs to find somebody that he not only feels very safe with and comfortable with, but somebody who will encourage him to be his better self.

SPEAKER_00

Well, that kind of leads into social networking, which we're going to talk about tonight. My wife and I ran the largest singles network in South Florida from 1985 to 1992, and we used to teach single people how to use their social network. This is before online dating and cell phones and the internet and so forth. Basically, it's still apropos to use your social network versus going to singles bars or speed dating or online dating, which is full of strangers, people you don't know, and they don't know you, they don't know their friends, you don't know anything about them. They could lie, they could be predators, they could lead you down a path. But when you use your social network, you are connecting with people that are connected to other people. There's more accountability, there's more responsibility in both parties when they come together. So I'll tell you, Adam, how I found my wife. This is back in 1979, okay? I had a big mop of hair, I had big chops on the side, I had a smokey and abandoned firebird. So I had plenty of dates. I was a great disco dancer.

SPEAKER_01

But the real question is, did you have the walk?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. But you know, I would walk into clubs and the girls would just run up to me and hey, when Boogie Oogie Yogie comes on or disco inferno comes on, will you dance with me? You know, I did. I lived Saturday Night Fever. But the problem was I was dating, I'd call the girls that I was dating bimbos. Because men are visual. So I'd walk in the club, and of course, what would I look at? The girls with the shortest skirts, the tightest dresses, and you know, that's what I would gravitate to. And I was dating these girls, and I'd go, you know, I don't want to, I wouldn't marry, I wouldn't want to marry these girls. So I said, how do I find a girl that I want to marry? So what I did, I made a love list, it's called. I wrote down everything I wanted in the opposite sex, personality traits, background, experience, deal makers, deal breakers, approximate age range, height range, and I made copies and I gave it to my 10 best male friends at the time. They were all meeting women. And three months later, my best friend Paul calls me up. He goes, Hey George, you got to meet this girl. So he introduced me to my now wife. We've been married 46 years. She was the perfect specimen that I wanted to find, but I would have never met her if I hadn't used my social network because she was younger, she was 10 years younger, and my friend was at a party where she was at, so we wouldn't have been in the same circles. But we met up, we got married 46 years later. It's been great. So that's what I teach people how to use your social network. I used to use the 20-question interview. I had 20 questions that I would ask any female that fit the right description to go through the list, and this was amazing. But when I talked to my now wife, she answered every question to my satisfaction. And I and I walked away, and I still remember, I said, you know what, you would make a good wife someday. And of course, it was a good wife for me, maybe not for anybody else, but for me, it was I said, Wow, man, that's amazing. So it went from there, from the interview to getting married, and it just progressed, and we've had 46 great years.

SPEAKER_01

That's I never would have thought about making the list and then sharing it because I don't know how many times I've had to do it, like in church groups and whatever growing up. And I was always told at the end of it, okay, now make sure that you are also matching that criteria, that you have a good sense of humor, that you are very empathetic and whatever else I put on the list. My husband, he met almost every single thing on the list. And then after we were dating for a bit, he then met the other one because he was still living at home that was on my list, don't live at home anymore. He moved out shortly after. I just knew that making that list would help me know when I found the right person.

SPEAKER_00

No, if nothing else, that is the best thing to do. At least mentally, you have a reference point, okay, of what to so you don't waste time with the wrong person. But the second step is to use your social network, which most people don't ever think about, but you can use your family, your friends, your neighbors, and everybody that's single has at least three to five single friends, right? I'm just assuming. So you can even have a party some night, invite your single friends together, and everybody make their love list and share it with each other. Now, here's the other cool part, especially for females. Like if you went out as a female and you saw a guy you were interested in, most females will not or cannot approach that guy. They're not going to just go up there and say, Hey, hi, how are you? Because in most cases, the guy's going to think that you're hitting on them for sexual circumstances. That's the male mind. Like, oh, this girl's hitting on me. She's an easy mark. So that's why women, I think, don't approach men because they're afraid that that's what's the dynamics are going to happen and go in that direction. But if you go to a club or some kind of an event with a female partner, you pick out a guy you like, and then she goes over and introduces herself and mentions that you're interested, you would like to meet him, and she brings him over. Then he can reject her if he's not interested. He doesn't reject you, he rejects her, which she doesn't care. And then you don't take it as it's not uh the fear of rejection anymore. It's like, so what? It's not a big deal. And sometimes, and we found that some gals use this in reverse. They actually like the guy, they go over and pretend they're meeting the guy for their friend, but they're really meeting the guy for themselves, and the guy might like you versus your friend anyway. So there's all these different dynamics, but it gives the female the chance to interact with whoever they want, and it makes it so you're not tied down to them. It's a comfortable, convenient way to meet new people, especially for women to meet men.

SPEAKER_01

When you were first talking about this and introducing the idea of social networking for dating, it made me think about how I will use that before I go out to eat because I want to make sure that I'm not wasting my food calories or the space in my stomach on something gross, especially something where I'm gonna be sick for the next several days, depending on the restaurant that I eat at. And I love that idea that you are setting yourself up with somebody who you know by a couple degrees or whatever, but there's still a recommendation there. And you kind of get a certain star rating of them based off of other people who know that person.

SPEAKER_00

Right.

SPEAKER_01

I love that. And it goes like even in the job world, how you look for references, why not have this as well?

The Role of Family and Community in Raising Children

SPEAKER_00

It works really great because, like you mentioned, it's really accountability because that person that is introduced to you has some kind of accountability with the person that made the introduction. So, like you said, there is a connection, it's not strangers. So, in today's world, listen, I don't trust anybody in today's world except my mother, and she's dead. So if I I mean, who do you trust anymore? But it's a good idea for people to give it a shot. Try these different strategies because they do work and they make it more fun. The illness is not just on you now, like, oh, I gotta find somebody to marry or find a date or a mate. It's like, oh my god, that sounds like a daunting task. But when you get your family and friends involved, it's terrific. Now let's take the next step and go into families. Here's something that I don't understand in today's world. Whoever thought of this idea of you have a kid, you raise the kid, and then when they go to college or high school and they graduate, you say, I'm done. I hear this all the time. Well, I'm done. You're never done with your kids. Who come up with that idea that you're done? Oh, they got a job and they moved to California. Now I can live my life. I don't understand that. No, you're not done with your kids. You're never done. And then here's another thing that really strikes my fancy. You realize now when people have kids, they announce to their family, well, this is we're having a kid, it's our kid. Now, in fact, the whole family has the kid. It's not just the couple, the whole family, oh, that's our kid. So now the kid is in a family. It's not just with two parents that may wind up getting divorced and then they download one person that they count on. In fact, you know, Audum, when I grew up in small town Ohio, in our city, they didn't have divorce, it didn't exist. Nobody got divorced. My aunts, uncles, grandparents, mom and dads. Nobody. It didn't exist at all. And if somebody was divorced in our town, they were like black sheep. Everybody avoided them. It was like like like what's wrong with those people? What did they do? Just think about how things have changed. And now it's just like I got married, I got two kids, I think I'm tired of them. I'm gonna go down and get an annulment. I'll see ya, I'll send you a couple hundred bucks a month, I'll see you around. Like, I don't get that.

SPEAKER_01

How do you prevent that with the social networking for dating?

SPEAKER_00

Well, the thing that we're lacking in this society is training.

SPEAKER_01

A little bit because now I live near them. Stuff pretty amazing.

SPEAKER_00

They don't connect in marriage for romance, love, sex, and romance. That's not why they get together. They have a whole different set of concepts that bring couples together. And it's all basically community and family oriented. And they really very rarely have divorces. You know, there's always bad eggs in every society. There's things that, you know, evil things that go on, but it's minimized with the way they operate. One thing, this is amazing. You know the Amish have no self-image? You ever see the way they dress? The women don't wear makeup, they all wear the same outfits, they're neutral. You line up 10 Amish women, you couldn't tell the difference because they got those head things and the dresses. So, in other words, they're not trying to impress somebody, they're not trying to show off. Now, when I pick up this bone, every day, I have 10 to 20 beautiful women shaking their you know what's on the bone, dancing around all over, and it doesn't matter, you can't block it, it's everywhere, it's on these bones. So we're so enamored with self-image, and then the guys, the same thing with the guys. Why do guys have to have six-pack abs? What does that do for anybody?

SPEAKER_01

It's to hold my drink on it.

SPEAKER_00

You know, I was in that era in the 70s. I had the six-pack abs, and I was in the weight room and lifting weights and trying to be John Travolta, and and after you think about it, it's just like a lot of wasted time.

SPEAKER_01

I think that goes back to the list. Make sure your list is not superficial because that's the fades with time. What really matters is their personality, their soul, what they bring out on you. For me, my husband brings me such a feeling of peace and a feeling of I can do it. He's very encouraging, and he is just my support human. That's my best way to describe him. We all deserve to have someone like that, and we should be searching for someone like that, and we should make sure that we are becoming that person so that we can reciprocate that.

SPEAKER_00

Well, you know, that's another good point, though, about my whole system of creating a love list is the fact that the other person, you have to be on their love list because you might find somebody that fits your list, but you don't fit theirs. That leads to the fact that everybody should try to be the best person they can be. I mean, don't gain weight, work out, stay fit, make yourself look attractive. You don't have to be bouncing around on social media, showing off all your assets, but at least, you know, be smart. Try to have a good financial sense about you. I mean, in today's world, women should have at least a good job, try to get a good job in place and have all the things that would attract a man. And have some passions. Yeah. I mean, my wife and I were very athletic back when we first met. I mean, she was a pole vaulter in high school and she ran track, and I was a very athletic person, and so we clicked. It was just really great. I think. Men are disgusting. Okay. I don't know how women even like men. But what we found out is a woman will like a guy that is respectful and understanding of them. But they don't really like the male species because the male species is not like that. Males are pretty disgusting. Men, when they meet women at first, send their referral partner, not themselves, okay? They send their pseudo-cells. So, like I remember back in the day when I was in the disco days, I would go up and I knew how to talk to women a certain way that would get them excited and stimulated and kind of turn them on. You learn his little tips and tricks on how to manipulate women. So you gotta be real careful because I always say, like, men send their representative to meet the girl. They don't really send their real self. So the girl has to get in and find out the real self of the guy, not his representative. I think that's why it's important to have different settings that you're going on dates so that you can see those masks start to slip away to really is that don't ever go on one-on-one dates, at least until you've met that person a couple of times. Tell them you'll meet them at an event or you'll meet them out with their friends and see them mingle with their friends before you go on a one-on-one date. See how their friends react with them, see how they act with their friends. That's those things are real important. And then another key ingredient is I always would ask a woman, do you get along with your mother and father? To me, that was like a really strong indicator. If they started complaining about their mother and father, oh, my mother does this and my dad's that. And I understand if there's an alcoholic or a drug addict or some abusive person, but in general, if if you just complain about your mother and father, think about that. You're complaining about them. What's going to happen to me if I look up with you?

SPEAKER_01

Well, and that goes back to what you're saying. We were talking about how much it's a village that raises children. So make sure that you're gonna be okay with this village. See what the dynamic is like there.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, well, that that's another key word on them is that you really need a community to raise a kid. You need teachers, you need coaches, you need grandparents, you need uncles, aunts. And sometimes the kids don't relate very well to the mother or the father, but they may relate to the grandfather or maybe an aunt. And it's amazing. So that's why you need this whole family because sometimes you really don't get along with your own kids.

SPEAKER_01

And if you live far away, you can build up your own and still call them aunt or uncle. Thankfully, now one of my brother-in-laws lives nearby, so we get cousin time, but we have created our own village being so far away from family that is really a lot of families that like are spread out.

SPEAKER_00

My family's all spread out. So every other Sunday night at eight o'clock, we do a Zoom call. We invite the whole family, and we have a 45-minute to an hour Zoom call, and we usually highlight different people in the family and have them give us an update on what they're doing, what their job is, what their problems are, so we can find out more about everybody.

SPEAKER_01

We do that every Sunday. Great during COVID, and it helped because everybody else was getting together, but we were the ones over here alone. So it was really nice to have our kids start being able to connect with family members and know them.

SPEAKER_00

And then I also start a family website at subacfamily.com. And what we do is we post weddings, anything that happens in the family births, and people get together for events, so anybody can go to the family website and see what's going on. So there's a lot of different strategies people can do to stay connected. The key is you gotta be proactive and stay connected, even a phone call. Hey, how are you doing? Even if there's not a lot of conversation, just to check up on people.

Networking for Career Success

SPEAKER_01

I feel like we've hit the biggest part of the dating. So can we switch really quick? I just looked at the time, we don't have a ton of time. But how does this also correlate to finding a job?

SPEAKER_00

For this is nothing new. Since time memorial, the best jobs are found by networking, by knowing somebody that has a business or a job, and they recommend some, you know, a parent knows somebody that owns a business and they recommend their son or daughter, referrals, recommendations, those still are the best ways to get jobs. And here's one thing I tell young kids today, and everybody, and I tell my two grandkids that are in college, I said, start a database. I said, everybody you meet every day that's of import, your teachers, kids in school, get their name, phone number, email address, and put it into a database and start building your database. Because you never know down the road, two years from now, you might want to contact a professor or somebody you met in business for all kinds of reasons, for advice, for resources, for referrals. So that's a key ingredient. Like I have a database of 25,000. And every day I bet I put five to ten new people into my database. And the first thing I ask is what's your name, address, and phone number? I write it on a clipboard, actually, believe it or not, an old-fashioned clipboard. I carry it with me. And I write their information and I make notes about the person. So a database is so critical to business networking. You can't I don't know how you can live without a great network of people that you know. And then I put them in categories: attorneys, doctors, dentists. Every time I go to a dentist or doctor, I get all their contact information, their personal email address. And I put it in a database. Because you don't know when you might want to call him in two years and get a second referral on something.

SPEAKER_01

Or you'll think of something from the conversation like, oh, hey, I have a book for you.

SPEAKER_00

And it's that oh, you thought of me, and by the way, that's an important thing is once you build a database, try to help other people. When you find something that's valuable for somebody else, I'm constantly every day, I bet I send referral information to three to five people. Then I see an article on the internet, or I see a book, or I find something, I go, hey, this person would really this they would love this, so this would help them. So help people.

SPEAKER_01

Exactly. And what's so great is the more you help people, the more you're helping yourself, especially with those questions that you have where you're like, I can't quite figure out that question fully to even get an answer to that. And then suddenly it just clicks in place while you're helping somebody else out. I love when that happens, and it's one of those wait, I wasn't expecting this because I'm focusing on them. Why am I getting something?

SPEAKER_00

One other important thing about high-level networking business, okay? When you want to talk to the top people, they're very busy and they're hit on all the time from all sides. So, what you want to do is get their attention, however that is, and then figure out a way that you can help them. Don't call them up and pitch a product or an idea or whatever. Find out what might interest them or how you can maybe bring them a customer, or you can refer them to somebody. Once you start helping somebody at a very high level, they're gonna open up and start to listen to you. So the main way to get to the highest levels of networking is try to figure out ways to help people at that level.

SPEAKER_01

That makes sense.

SPEAKER_00

So there you go.

SPEAKER_01

Doing that makes such a difference within your marriage and within parenting. We talked about parenting as well. In all these aspects of your life, if you are helping people without strings attached, they are more likely to open up to you in a vulnerable sense. They're more likely to want to help you. We are live in such a society where there are so many strings attached that we automatically have that wall come up. We're like, what's going on here? Can I trust this? The more we help out other people, our walls come down and their walls start to come down. And that is where we really have that connection with people, that vulnerability. And it's getting to that point, and that's like helping people.

SPEAKER_00

Well, I got a tip for everybody that will really maybe change your world. And and I started doing this years back when I got older. Is most of the time, all my life, Autumn, when I wake up, I would think about what am I gonna do today? What's gonna make me happy? What's gonna be fun? Okay, so that's all about me. So I started doing this. When I wake up, I think about one person that I can help today or do a favor. One person every day. It could be your wife, it could be a kid. But think about helping somebody every day. Can you imagine what that would do for yourself and your your support system? Think about how you instead of thinking about how you're gonna have fun, think about how can I help somebody today. So there you go. I love that. One other item is wake up and say, what can I do to make my wife or husband happy today? My wife would say, fold the towels correctly. She yells at me because I don't fold towels the way she likes it. I'm teaching my children how to fold laundry the way I like it folded. My wife has this cardboard thing or this device, you put the towel in it and you flip it, and it makes it perfect. I just grab them and just fold them. So that's my big marital problem. Folding towels. Oh no, you're doomed.

Conclusion and Final Thoughts

SPEAKER_01

Well, where can we find you?

SPEAKER_00

The website called theultimate networker.com. It has my books on there. If anybody wants to get on me in my database, I'm located in South Florida. I'll be more than happy to talk to anybody. I'm trying to make America better. I'm trying to help people do what I can and uh get the most out of life, uh, the rest of the life that I have to live. Stay younger longer.

SPEAKER_01

Statistics say that the biggest way you aid yourself is by isolation and loneliness. So, right there, you're taking the anti.

SPEAKER_00

Help other people, create a support group, make sure you communicate with your family, and you'll have a great life.

SPEAKER_01

Exactly. Thank you so much for this. This was amazing, and you covered both the big topics that I wanted to.

SPEAKER_00

Well, it was great to be interviewed by you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01

Thank you so much for listening to this episode. I hope that you found the answers that you needed and you had some amazing aha moments. Please share this episode with others because it helps us align ourselves and then better align the world so that we can seek the healing that we really are looking for. As part of the legal language, I am a certified life coach with a bachelor's in applied health. That is what I am leaning on for this. This is general advice taken as that. See you in the next episode.